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Cobra
Regular Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 76 |
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Topic: This time its different Posted: 28 Mar 2005 at 9:52pm |
After this weeks 'correction' in the stock markets, no doubt we will have the usual economist/analyst reassurances that it was both healthy and needed to happen. Signs are starting to emerge that the cycle has indeed peaked eg interest rates rising, commodity production increasing. |
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davkell
Regular Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 47 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 31 Mar 2005 at 11:58pm |
Fundamental analysis can be such a hazy area. Personally, I believe the charts tell the true story. Cobra: BBG & CCL are particularly ripe for shorting at the moment. I don't like commenting on particular stocks either direction, but I believe if one is willing to step up to the plate with a stock 'opinion' then some clarification to that belief should be given. This forum, and many like it are best served as an educational purporse arena, so wouldn't it be best to say why you believe these stocks are "..particularly ripe for shorting..."? Then members can review and analyse your fundamental and/or technical approach to this belief. PS: Both stocks are trading above their Weekly rising EMA's in an uptrending market..... risky shorting arena in simple terms.
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Cobra
Regular Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 76 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Apr 2005 at 4:47pm |
I guess that's what makes it interesting, and that's what makes the market work. You give 2 people the same data and you'll get 2 different opinions. |
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Cobra
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Apr 2005 at 4:54pm |
Actually, reading my original post I think I gave my reasons. Interest rates going up - sectors most prone to rising interest rates - stocks within these sectors - stocks that have had a good run up within these sectors. Unless rising interest rates don't affect the share market anymore? Discretionary consumer spending affect the above sectors, interest rates affect consumer spending = rising interest rates = lower sales etc etc.
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Cobra
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Apr 2005 at 5:01pm |
One more point. If this is an resources led bull market, bare in mind that Brazils (I think from memory) increase in copper production over the next 2 years equals the total current output of BHP Billiton. A typical cycle produces shortages then gluts, low interest rates then rising interest rates. Simple economics. It's not going to last forever, and already may have peaked.
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davkell
Regular Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 47 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Apr 2005 at 7:53pm |
Well, you seem to know you stuff 'fundamentally' it seems. But most of what you said made very little sense to me. I believe that all that info is contained within the price data, and is 'visible' before the actual fundamental news is released. Everyone to their own of course. |
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Cobra
Regular Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 76 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Apr 2005 at 8:57pm |
I'm not sure what you're commenting on?. The topic is stock chat, so I
was attempting to chat about stocks, with the idea that other people
could comment and offer other stock ideas for comment, hopefully from a
Bullcharts perspective. At least we're 'chatting'. Where do you see
interest rates heading and does it/will it affect your investment in
shares?.
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davkell
Regular Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 47 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Apr 2005 at 9:13pm |
It was my way of saying, "I have zero knowledge on the fundamental side of things!", lol. I guess it shows that many people make money (and lose money) through very different approaches, so no one way is the right way I guess. Interest rates: I'm lucky (or perhaps unlucky, depends how you view it!) because I don't have a mortgage yet. No DINK here, single income family two kids, does that explain it, haha. I heard a commentary that the Reserve has on most occasions always raised interest rates twice in a row. So I believe the market is tipping another quarter of a percent this week. Where they go from there, I can't say.
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chart rider
Regular Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 96 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Apr 2005 at 8:19pm |
Cobra There is no doubt that overall market direction is based upon fundamentals, for there exists no other force that can have an affect - including day to day events that investors perceive as affecting fundamental economics in either a positive or negative sense. The current market price(s) though are set by the perception of future expectations and as such any knowledge regarding future commodity production levels etc would already be factored into the current market. In my opinion the analysis of fundamentals is just far too complicated to apply to individual stocks, with almost infinite variables and information that at any point in time is already general knowledge in the investment circles. This makes decisions based upon fundamentals, in my opinion, just too difficult and too self contradictory to be of use for daily buy/sell decisions. Apart from looking at fundamentals for the big picture (eg. is the uptrending market generally in sync with fundamentals?), I see the only objective approach for day to day decisions as being technical analysis - and not necessarily using hundreds of indicators, but just one or two - while always being alert to the general market conditions. Technical analysis also allows the reading of price activity under the effect of crowd emotions, which pure fundamental analysis does not. I think a ballance of the two approaches is the key. Chart Rider |
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Cobra
Regular Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 76 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 Apr 2005 at 11:01pm |
I'm not sure I'm actually advocating fundamentals over technicals?. I just made an observation about the economy in general, and a couple of companies that may be influenced negatively. Edited by Cobra |
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